Two questions;
1. Why, if anyone know, Vinnie change his matched grip (wich he master so awsome) to traditional grip and when?
2. Wich of thouse two you like the most and why? (and please don't say the "vinnie" factor)
Vinnie started changing back to traditional grip in the early 80s (playing some bits with trad at concerts etc..but you could tell his matched was still better) i think and by the end of the 80's he was full on to trad grip again, and i have to say, he's probably got one of the best left hands out there
Is it safe to assume Vinnie recorded 'Secrets' using Traditional?
Never seen such an amazing left hand in the business.Virg's left hand is awesome too but looks tensed to me.MAkes me wonder how he can be so fast with what seems to me like a very 'rigid'left hand.
Am i the only one to think like that?
I'm not a TG expert, but from an aesthetic point of view, I found Vinnie's left hand beautiful to watch; so is Weckl's and so was Buddy's.
Virgil's left hand is really not a beauty, but seems to work even though TG doesn't seem to make sense for his style of playing, his volume, his setup and the music he plays. JMHO.
-A MG player who would like to be good at TG
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Buddy had the best left hand ever. Not JMHO.Originally posted by drumaddix:
Never seen such an amazing left hand in the business.Virg's left hand is awesome too but looks tensed to me.MAkes me wonder how he can be so fast with what seems to me like a very 'rigid'left hand.
Am i the only one to think like that?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was going to post that before. It really looks like the stick is just lying in a mold in which it is secured, yet loose. So perfect!Originally posted by Tombo 7/4:
I'm not a TG expert, but from an aesthetic point of view, I found Vinnie's left hand beautiful to watch
A little story........
I'll never forget my 1st lesson with Henry Bellson at the age of 13. I walked into there having played for only 8 months. I was already trying (terribly) to pull off Neil stuff and already had a pretty good foundation with 4/4 stuff. Mostly self taught.
When we sat down at the drums..... he asked. "Are you left handed??" I replied "no". So then he asked... "why do you hold your right hand in a traditional grip then and not your left". I replied "I don't know"?? From that day on, I played matched grip. Henry said it was wrong to play the way I was playing.
After drumming so many years now, alot of things that were told to me by other teachers I felt were wrong. I understand that there is a certian way to develope a particular technique, but everyone has their little "nitch" in the way they execute it. Not all skelital alignments are the same, so I feel that not everyone will hold their sticks or execute playing the "exact" same way.
So today I feel that learning both matched and traditional grips are important. Learning to play all your stuff both left and right handed too is another good way of developing balance. Learn the "open" style and cross sticking styles at the High hat. Kinda like Martial Arts teaches you to be able to perform all manuvers both left and right handed, forward and reversed. It makes for those that are truly un-limited in their ability.
I still see Vinnie going to a matched grip depending on what he's playing. He's one of those "naturals" that knows when it feels right to do so. As far as his traditional grip and hands are concerned. I remember asking him if he knew Dick Wilson (R.I.P.), he said yes. From what I understood, he's the guy that really helped Vinnie with his "hands". Wished I had a chance to study with the guy. But there's always Jim Chapin!!!
Hey Mechanic,
You studied with Hank Bellson? So did I back in the day. Great guy, I still have his hand written lessons around. Hank was a lefty, teaching on a right handed drum set. I switched after 10 years of playing traditional to matched grip when I was at the Armed Forces School of Music. I figured it was the best time to switch since I was practicing so much. Still glad I did it, though brush work with traditional grip does look and sound really cool.
Whoa!!! Andy!!!
Are you from "The Valley"?? I guess you remember Mel Zelnicks music stop then??
Ya know... to be honest, I never knew Henry was a "lefty" playing a "righty" kit. All I remember is what he told me. I think I took all of 3 months worth of lessons and then couldn't afford it anymore. I think his reasoning was probably more so to help me develope a basis, some foundation to work off of. Probably because I was so "all over the place" when I 1st walked in there.
Do you or anyone know of where a guy named "Nick Vincent" disappered to?? One of Grubers old students?? Played with Chuckie Weiss and the goddammed liars for a while??
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